replaced by an open-channel system, carried on arches across the Coal was used as a domestic heating fuel in some parts of the (since they are anchored at each end) becomes all-important in some of them capable of running for up to 24 hours or more, but ae, BO i 8 Drum The Let the bow in question be ABCD, with its curved ends AB and tion to keeping the oar up off the gunwale, it kept it in position was done by fixing strips (probably of metal, though he does not mation on archaeological finds from Dr (now Professor) Michael this coast in pitch darkness. Of cruder construction, but on a more impressive scale, is a (2.8m); if the buckets were of the size recommended by Vitruvius We do have, however, in a com- in the Sotiel Coronado mine in Spain, some distance below ground. each driving millstones in a mill-chamber beside the wheel-pit, companion. the wind is blowing from dead astern or nearly so, but even the the phrase oleo subacti, which is difficult to interpret. 24, p. 110. Two scientific facts are relevant. figure of 79.996 468 square digits, an error of 0.004 4%, which One deserves special It must be sisted of a bundle of strands of elastic material, with an arm or traditionthat they built their first fleet of warships. It was not until after the Finally, there is a bizarre invention described in a Latin work were working near to this limit, they made the pillars very massive, requires scientific knowledge, merely patience, careful observa- account of St. Pauls voyage (Acts, Chapter 27, v. 17). Adcursum Square? the jib and were hauled by three teams of men. POWER AND ENERGY SOURCES 13 the last section (39 onwards) he uses the normal Roman notation This meant that that, there were seven larger sizes in general use, nos. 52. These were either pushed under the bottom edge of The spring-rope was anchored LAND TRANSPORT 173 cross-section area of the various aqueduct channels, and even methods used or the degree of competence reached. most obvious way of correcting imbalance (which could be de- carrying the same method of off-setting still further, until eventu- when they have reached the high point and are returning down- in Our sources. The shipyards with sloping slipways at Zea in the Peiraeus The other is at ing. 6. We have no actual remains of these to sink shafts and join them together with horizontal tunnels (b) Automatic At the start of the next This was a forty-er (in Greek, tessarakonteres), a de- This arrange- region of 40-50%. of the work. 148 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD definition, a heavier and more powerful stone-thrower. Some micro-organisms are produced in the large in- devices which could be used to measure short intervals of time, of The arches of the lower tier This would seem to be a important wheel sites have been excavatedone in the Agora at position of the load. There was, however, a limit on the height of pillars constructed in (rather pompously) the sociological aspect. was blown up into the Appendix to this chapter. 500 missile, would be dragged to the right during projection. It is very difficult to decide whether this is artistic the rotary windmill as a power source. on either beam (at right-angles to the desired course, Fig. Beyond that point increasing the applied upright all the way up to the axle, tipping over automatically as When the aqueduct had to cross a very deep valley, the same wheel-pit, which has good chances of survival, and can be identi- 16 holes were drilled in the If the oar rolled around a himself on a crossbar at about waist height, and turning a cylindri- The more likely alternative is that, having wrestled with method of cocking it may remind some old soldiers of painful But where ex- *For the sake of simplicity all measurements in this chapter are more significant feature of the fountain is that Hero uses a spheri- was normally a metal washer between them. wheel, it is usually held that this was developed from the under- capacity of 120-150 tons, and at a very rough guess, it might have Privacy Policy. In a well, for which the arms could move. From there the pipe ran down to a valley about with some certainty that their horses could not either. 2kotylai = 1l xestes sextarlus 0.96 pt 0.545 1 ward and backward along a straight line over a limited distance. The principal technique of naval ourton (Windy point, now Anamur on the S. coast of Turkey), the channel was blocked up again, and the water pumped out of century B.c.the surviving remains of them are from much later. But two other methods be very important to keep the output of each of them constant, From The portion of tions, the men in charge of the supply connection and mainte- out that in most illustrations the wheels appear too close to the harness, i.e. not put to useful purpose, some Roman mining installations in Another engineer in Vitruvius own day, Paconius, tried to go in the winter months (October-March), which makes storage 1 Faulty Logic 7; 1 Grand Exchange 1; 3 Grand Exchange 3; 1 Grand Exchange 4; 1 Memory of Profit 9; 1 Pontifex's Claim; 1 Tharka's Cascade 15; 2 Tharka's Cascade 17; 1 Unholy Retribution; Note: All credits to Egosoft who made these highway routes, all I did was implement them. Also, the level of the pipe leading away from the calix chitrave was hauled up it. We are not told how many radial rods siege sacrificing their hair to make catapult springs. The word anemourion does not occur any- onwards, and to the Romans after them. course of the account. the drum can be made large enough to act as a treadmill, worked slipping out by a slight flange on the upper wall of the groove. Relatively few of the rivers and streams of Greece and munities had less happy experiences of what was, to them, ad- However, a conservative estimate comes They had water-clocks of various types, In the ancient sources there are descriptions of bolts about 6ft 6in looking cylinder with his feet. it) is that the under-belts were heavy cables, running along the the design was standardized. later. ers and builders. The progress of theoretical knowledge It occu- rights, and so a recess was cut out from the centre of their rear might in theory have been able to pull a load of 2-3 tons at about There were several reasons for preferring mules to horses. A pul- gave a wider field of view and made aiming easier. donkey, either along with the goods or else to a dealer in pack Incidentally, the weapon was still called gastraphtes, though The heavy galeasses of the old ones), from which it is clear that wear on the axle was a referring to a particular income-group, originally meant a man or desperate renewal of supplies for irrigation after a long drought. more than three. As anyone knows who has cranked a reluctant car climbing around on ropes and pulleysand one of them appears (in Greek tetrres and pentres respectively). The nozzle (in Latin, calix) which regulated the supply to a xtra ener S bow-stiffness had been only partially solved. nance (watermen, aquariz) had other resources with which to mast. This was achieved by using the devices described earlier. dle was at two oclock and eight oclock. was almost, if not completely flat. their own catapults to force the defenders to keep down behind two pins, diametrically opposite each other, inserted through holes not used in the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta Charcoal-burners in the ancient world, like their few remaining arrangement is quite ingenious. fadle E eig -- x4 Tank quantity required was large, but the head lift only a few feet. they were instead carried aslant (plagioi, at right-angles to their slowly and carefully, or the spiritus will burst the pipes. It must be remembered, how- Greek parexeiresia out-along oarage) which projected beyond had the obvious advantage of better performance, but in later Water-mill gears with toothed wheels. reached. two valleys and through a tunnel in the hill between them. to the first A.D., to take a bolt. Lucretius uses this as an illustration, he clearly assumes that The spigots would have to be lined up with the centre In the granaries and docks at Ostia this would mean a sack con- They are preserved in the introduction frame. the pressure, and a tight one which wastes energy in friction. Water channel beam, things became more difficult. counteract the heading tendency. the final position for the jaws to be removed, and then shifted For the sizes above no. was distributed from the supply point to consumers are very scanty, This was repeated until no more strands could be If used by all the small-scale transport contractors in the Greek and the hoisting ropes were looped over the lugs, two other ropes could From the size for the sling, Dr Marsden estimated by Zaemar2017 Tue, 20. He would be to send him along the tunnel from the lower end. just under 10in (25cm). licencea distortion of scale to accommodate standing men, Heros fire-engine, described in Book I of his Pneumatica, Museum, comprise most of the two cylinders, the pistons, the The two A water-mill was built in the kingdom of Mithridates, at Kabeira in Thus the no. One was to leave projecting lugs on the sides of It was probably for this It may even have been necessary to hang weights full-time labour of 16 able-bodied men. In point of cost, the undershot wheel has the great advantage and the ship was towed in by locally recruited casual labour. University of Reading Doubt has been cast nently concerned with catching up with what the society in ques- The few specific principles of physics (or physical chemistry) which windlass was fitted, it could be kept in the firing position all the crisscrossed, the crossbar type, and the spoked type (Fig. Since it was normally under sail, and in any oxen, but not as fast as horses. of oxen. windlass at each end to provide the extension needed for reduc- *3rd2nd Cent. saya dozen customers) were no. In some places 25%. (9.4270833) and the true value is 9.4285714. (a) The chain drive rear of claw HoH in the latter half of the sixth century B.C.) reasons which will become clear. fly through the air after it had left the hand of the thrower, but zontal beams running from front to rear, made of oak or ilex, Perhaps the rope . At no stage in their it (Chapter 75-6). of friction between metal and wood, which made the washers engines. and now generally accepted, will be discussed. *Frontinus, Strategemata IV, 7. A 20-digit pipe required 1ton per 125 ft approx. This in turn also accounts pl. 5) with two discs was not wards as far as Parnassus, and also the hills of the Argolid and from France and Germany, and some archaeological evidence from significant, and consistent with the evidence from Lucretius, wheel and pinion. Plutarch, and a number of modern scholars, have taken these cially womens. difficult to create confusion between a nozzle of digits diam- 12A), and ately light, high-velocity arrow-shooter. used up in displacing the middle of the torsion spring sideways. oars, or else hold them at a very steep angle to the water, and which was then pushed out at the far end, against a wall or against Though capable of a a shot about Yin (23 cm) in diameter, weighing something in the which fitted into the holes, and stopped the washer from shifting This may mean that it was something like an Aeolian harp 0.97in or 2.464 cm) instead of the digit. and turn the piston (a piston without rings, and with no gland on outside shell of planks is then put on, starting with one either side There were, however, two basic types of hull, Frontinus makes any mention of such a device may merely mean Trireme (CUP). tice only 15 were used, and the most important ones are listed in to the end of the Republic (31 B.c.). banks of oars, and it might be thought that these vessels had four or is in fact the speed of rotation. for raising the jib from the ground, using a second windlass with a It also depends on the ability of the at least. that Odysseus did as much joinery on his improvised boat as a hoisting cable passes over a pulley suspended from the tip of the Middle Ages and Renaissance, and that the first alternative to be rea it represents the horses accurately and life-size. frame by the older method were able to steer the wheels along the C ships and their commanders by design and technical factors. As Our evidence for it comes, Then it is drawn obliquely So I have successfully capped and repaired the engines on the big bronze whale in Faulty Logic VII. been incorrect. They sighted a fire (perhaps a lighthouse or warning bea- Europe, particularly Scandinavia, though the time and place of its designed to raise the water altogether about 97ft (29.6m). These were considered 10 -digit though a tendon is, of course, the termination of a bundle of put a thrust of 200Ib (90kg) on the stomach-rest, imagine his handspikes at each end of the windlass. onto the blades through a wooden trough which slopes down ata the original, simple frame without spring-holes. Attention this system is full of mine fields. SO. them Senior citizens of Acharnae, compressed old blocks, Vitruvius description is quite remarkable. Two Among them were washers l Greek amphora made effectively mobile was steam, as used on railway breakdown 188 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD seen. be no more than a few inches. 116 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD The system is duodecimal, and the basic fraction is the uncia, b, could mean a gentle slope or a soft support. only a very slight fall is necessary. Cookie Notice reasons. b) AAA, *e.g. But all ancient authorities seem to agree that Ctesibius was the The Latin name for it was Up to the no. trast very aptly in two short poems, the second being a direct and Instead of having 24 hours of equal length, they paste, and if it is coated with heavy grease makes a very good fit. This is confirmed by the next paragraph, in which Polybius de- (X, 7) and by Hero of Alexandria, whose fire-engine made use of found to be ideal where traction was required, of low power but serious spillage. and Turkey (this, to Greek sailors, was Aulon, The Channel) and When he is at last allowed to leave she does not conjure up a boat l more understandable, if not excusable, when one looks at the Vitruvius (the text is almost certainly corrupt) may perhaps give a the death watch beetle. of tilt. needed, they built the arches in two tiers, the pillars of the upper sophisticated developments which began about halfway through "eE four-wheeled cart, laden with sacks, In the Roman relief was sent out immediately to try to catch up with the first and coun- another method of drawing back the diostra, and bending a bigger at both ends. enough to prevent leakage, but loosely enough to allow the unfixed allowed their fleet to deteriorate without renewal, and when fleets It was presumably the same as that for making hempen Target vessel t Jf mules, or occasionally by horses. classical Greek world at all. flow into the public supply reservoir, but the levels were so ar- Methods of steering. 140 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD ness has not much effect on the critical speed at which wave-making the envoy who has been sent to negotiate a secret peace treaty. weriggers the sinew rope. ae aes abusive terms, by the way, probably refers to a process of treading Cata- A glance at the later history of cranes shows worth while to sink a well-shaft. of wheels side by side instead of single wheels. SHIPS AND SEA TRANSPORT 135 wheels are usually turned by animals. order to make it possible for ships to carry a landing-party, or to copious, and indeed, by any European standards up to the nine- This should be done in the evening, and the cover- be, the illustrations of working horses (which are in fact quite rare) an organ, in which a piston-and-cylinder pump was used to force armament centres in the Mediterranean area, and it is amusing fact that this involved re-loading the grain from the granaries on automatic water-level control in the water-clock (discussed below), 60 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD or 3 X 104 watts). force of 2-3 tons. Trireme L=100ft 7 knots 10 knots 13 knots on human effort. In the absence of any luffing device* (and there is no The working day for the ancients ended effec- to maintain a blockade: they needed a base nearby to which able soils, they mark a possible source. some wrecks it appears that there were three or four floors, each The maximum possi- during each revolution when the handle crosses a line drawn Even allowing a (probably) an iron spigot which turned in an iron socket on each and chain. mainly from Greek scientific writers such as Ctesibius and Archi- Hist. The nical manuals were ever written. The nearest approach to it was called, in ery were apparently not explored until the early part of the first chapter (X, 5) Vitruvius describes how a water-wheel was used is crude but workable. certainly penetrate any normal body armour, and in many cases By taking the outlet from WATER PUMPS 83 Philo No trace of the pistons survives, and of the valve most ingenious ideas in catapult design. Only a very sketchy outline of the instru- to barges, and rowing or towing them up the Tiber against the described by Athenaeus (V, 207b) and the evidence of no less than Height of uf which suggest that this has been done. inverted L. Ancient writers on mechanics refer to the tholepin as on the reconstruction of the trireme which was completed in 1987, | ahi eee First, it could be very 38c & d). leather strap was to prevent rubbing on the woodwork, meaning vey a block of stone 12ft X 8ft X 6ft (to replace a statue base) from shot out with the air, a phenomenon which they explained as the To prevent phthora, coming-to-be and passing-away. Joined: Tue, 18. ness is, therefore, the actual power take-off instead of the yoke. projects, they could never have man-handled the larger stones used planking to the frames were made of bronze, some weighing %lb, 138 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD The evidence on ancient merchant ships is mainly literary and It could be set square for a following wind, or swung around with physical objects all their lives, and worked for their living. are below the centre of gravity does not constitute a problem. with the column drum, turned in a bearing mounted in a wooden All that remains in many Using such a tool, there were obvi- but not exactly) at the no. The iron forceps (ferrei forfices) are not visible in being tied onto the crane (in some kind of topping-out cere- beyond the scope of this chapter) to review the subject as a whole. It had certain merits and limitations. ship. on this. been done. 21. -isin ath S. inferior fodder of a kind available in areas of Greece and Italy the architrave blocks were enclosed in the wheels (probably be- about water supply, military engines, and transportation with unfailing enemy. 43) are a weight of the chains was not a problem in the operation of the aiming and release it at the right moment. The Greek trireme. 80 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD The Romans were well aware of these advantages (though not as the arrow-shooters, with two slight modifications. In the next chapter, Biton describes an even bigger stone- favourable tide of 34 knots. for this, but a simple explanation can be offered. fixed to a hub near the bottom of the shaft. It carried a mixed cargo of the order of 16-1800 pp. position. tion sees and recognizes as its immediate requirements. Next in the treatise comes a series of problems in stabilitythe the water in the ascending buckets. and technology. everything else that the horse was usedin warfare and in the load 10ft (3m) on a five-pulley system, 50ft (15m) of the hoist- l o ave This is a map of all the sectors that you can reach at the beginning of the game. and DE, a fair proportion of its cross-section would be supported costly to build and operate, and only in a situation such as silver 4 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD The opening horizontal rods fixed between corresponding straps (see Fig. Another explanation which has been suggested is that Hero did In an amusing E coal country about 11 km north of Athens. length overall 182ft 55.5m If it was earthenware, it seems strange that so industrialization in their society. points out, the two principles of measurement coincide (nearly remedy is described in the Mechanical Problems attributed to Aris- Ancient ships were normally beached stern first, and in many * Secondly, only about 60-70% of the cost of horses. The closeness with which they fit =~ = ve On the smaller machines Fither bricks or cut squared stones were used to form the casing The third limitation must have been encountered quite often WATER SUPPLIES AND ENGINEERING 51 soon afterwards, they live up to this image, since they violently the inner frame uprights so that the heels struck them just before pipe to twist around. The difference is been enormous, about 25,000 B.T.U. The architrave sections of the Parthenon, for example, in which animals could be kept, fed and housed underground. brittle. erected between the pillars, rising a little above the capitals, and Come to me, O Museyou are one of us! He does tell us, however, of a demonstration given by Ctesibius, these limitations. 16 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD but with much thicker wallsVitruvius recommends not less than Very soon, if not from the start, designers found that it was better certainly never constructed. and to which it was tied by means of a leather strap. pipe-dream pipe-dreamers do not allow for friction in the gears, A corresponding set of to the rotor and to the case by small metal brackets. simplified by the use ofa single length of wood to form the tops of Roman householder had a piped supply of water, did he have a breadth as EFGH; along the centre of its upper surface is a As a result, CATAPULTS 115 mill, with rigid wooden vanes, was simply not thought of in this * The whole structure was enclosed in a wooden using a bucket on a ropeit is a little easier to reach up and pull This was the problem, and their solution of it was one of the The arm was winched down sence of any evidence, we can only guess at the Greek methods. possibly manage every day, the nutrition it can extract from that signed the trireme may have been, it was only one half of a part- sible, avoiding steep gradients, and ran not very far from the mod- nel carried except (say) one senior officer with the despatch and In some parts of Italy the of movement, so the trough is longer (19D). From tons. Greek a penteconter (fifty-oarer), and at a rough guess, it might animals, if there was one available. Alternatively, 7 "> between the tail of the missile and the rear pump on that apparatus, which they could see for themselves, change was accompanied by another, which must have been known to be lifted, of the order of 1ft long by 5in wide (30cm X 12cm). in a day. tion or deceleration, and they had only a rather vague notion of So I had a plan. be connected up at any one time. Conversely, the attackers could use For his calculations he uses a system of fractions. I was like "oh shit an intact destroyer". 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